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CITY OF ST. CLOUD

DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES

 

 

DATE OF MEETING:      July 12, 2007                

 

LOCATION:                   1300 9th Street - 1st Floor – DRC Conference Room; St. Cloud

 

CALL TO ORDER:         2:00 P.M.

 

CHAIRMAN:                  David Nearing, Director of Planning and Zoning

 

SECRETARY:               Michelle Orton, Development Coordinator

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:

Ron Trowel                    Jonathan Kutche            David Ennis                   John Groenendaal         

Mark Luthie                   Rick Mauro                   

 

Cindy Spanglo and Ken Peck were excused.

 

NEW BUSINESS:

 

1.                   Case #07-73.01 – Deer Creek Commercial Center (John Groenendaal, Senior Planner)

                                                Canoe Creek Road north of Deer Creek Road

                                                PUD Zoning/PMP          

 

Jeff Ball with Osceola Engineering and Larry Kox with Canoe Creek Self Storage were present to represent the application.

 

BUILDING DEPARTMENT

INFORMATION:

1.       No comments on this PUD zoning/PMP

 

INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT

INFORMATION:

1.         With the implementation of the Cyber Spot wireless system thru out the City of St. Cloud, “Cyber Spot Capital Expansion” charges will apply prior to development of said property.

 This fee shall be assessed as follows:

Per Residential Unit: $118.46

Per square foot of Commercial property: $0.0068

Please reference Resolution #2005-418R, Ordinance #2005-168, and Section 6.1.10.1 of the Land Development Code. 

Please note that all cases do not necessarily require poles, but in the cases that do require poles, the following guidelines will apply.

1.       Poles that provide a minimum mounting height of 25 feet, as recommended by the Radio manufacture and a continuous, non-switched power source, will be required, at the developer’s expense, for mounting of the radios.

2.       In instances of decorative light poles, matching decorative poles, providing a minimum mounting height of 25 feet, as recommended by the Radio manufacture and a continuous, non-switched power source, will be required, at the developer’s expense, for mounting of the radios.

3.       Please note that this is a combined effort with OUC and the City of St. Cloud for the acquisition and placement of the poles that needs to be addressed by the developer during the street lighting design phase.

4.       A layout of the electric system showing transformer locations and street lighting needs too be supplied to the IT department as soon as possible for determining the number of poles required and location of the poles.

 

PUBLIC WORKS

CONDITIONS:

1.        No comments.  

           

LINES DIVISION

CONDITIONS:

1.       No comments.

 

FIRE DEPARTMENT

INFORMATION:

1.        Approval of this case will not cause an adverse affect on fire rescue department operations.

OUC (ELECTRIC UTILITY)

INFORMATION:

1.         No Comment.

 

PLANNING

CONDITIONS:

1.         In a PUD there is some negotiation, what are you proposing above the normal to warrant the City to consider a PUD with mini-storage?

2.         Any mini storage use is going to require substantial architectural and landscape features to mitigate the use against residential, Providing pictures along with a site visit to existing operating facility would be advised. As it stands now Planning deems mini-storage an non-compatible use to residential.

3.         The building coverage of 31% shall be reduced to 30%, you recoup area through by building up provided FAR is not exceeded.

 

Mr. Ball indicated that he has spoken with his client and they have decided to eliminate the second story and if at a later time they decided to add it they will come back to amend the PUD.  For the record he noted that they will resubmit taking out buildings A, F & E.  The building coverage is 31 percent, they will take off the 10 feet on the south portion of building C so they can fit a fire hydrant back there and that will take them down to 30 percent.

 

4.         Are the two story mini-storages going to have elevators?

5.         Section 1.8.1 should be amended to read more like “ Buildings A, F, G, may be two stories however may not exceed 35 feet in height.

6.         Section 1.8.2 Should be amended  to read the ISR of the Master plan shall not exceed 80%. Same for FAR. Point being you will make 3 retail parcels in which the walls will sit on the property lines.

7.         Section 1.9.4: under the LDC the perimeter landscape buffer is 5 feet by providing 10 and 20 feet you may be meeting the 12.5%. if this is the case I would like this clause struck.

 

Mr. Ball noted that comments 4 and 5 are mute, comment 6 is a change for overall and comment number 7 can be taken out because they will have enough room in the loading zones. 

 

8.         The retail loading zones are in your travel ways.   

 

Mr. Ball indicated that parcel 1, the loading zone will be removed for a loading zone and they will also take out some of the parking because they have enough parking.

 

9.         The City is interested in pressing greener development in the PUD before codifying any requirements, consider this in a rebuttal to show warrants for the PUD. Xeriscape, innovative Irrigation, moving away from St. Augustine as turf cover, examining some techniques found in the LEED’s certification are all options.

 

Mr. Groenendaal noted that he is pressing for a greener development.

 

Mr. Ball wanted to know if they had to commit to something right now.

 

Mr. Groenendaal explained that they are requesting a PUD, therefore, they must be willing to give something to the City.  This could be adding more trees or checking out some of the LEED’s certification.

 

10.        Permitted Use – The alcoholic beverage use needs to be a conditional use.

                                     The Child care use needs to be a conditional use.

                                     No communication/Cell phone towers other than cyber spot poles

                                     Place of worship – conditional use in P1, P2, & P3.

                                     Mini storage – if we come to an agreeable compromise.

 

Mr. Ball wanted to know if they could make the alcohol ban a conditional use and the childcare and church a permitted use.  He wanted to know if planning would stick to their decision.

 

Mr. Nearing noted there was a problem having childcare there because there are very specific guidelines that have to be followed.  If it’s not a conditional use then things could be dropped.

 

Mr. Ball indicted that he forgot about the playground requirements.

 

Mr. Nearing also reminded him of the percentage of children and the drop off zone.

 

Mr. Ball noted that they will leave it as a conditional use.

 

11.        No parking for a two story mini storage is not going to work. You must show some parking, also Identify an area on the 30 foot drive aisles where loading and unloading is to occur.

 

Mr. Ball noted that this is no longer relevant since they will only have a 1 story building.

 

12.        It would be advisable to outline a sign plan now with the PUD using the LDC guidelines here would not prudent.

 

Mr. Ball wanted to know if they have a 96 square foot monument sign if they will also be able to have wall signage.

 

Mr. Nearing indicated that they could.

 

Mr. Groenendaal noted that would be fine but because it is mini storage he didn’t want them to get carried away.

 

Mr. Ball wanted to know what the ratio for wall signage was.

 

Mr. Groenendaal noted that they will have 10 percent of the façade and that this is a longer builder they would have a larger amount of signage.

 

Mr. Ball indicated that he was referring to the retail that would be along Canoe Creek Road.

 

Mr. Nearing noted that the retail would be 10 percent of the façade.

 

There was discussion over the signage.

 

Mr. Ball wanted to know, in regards to using the back of the building as a wall.  They need access to the back of the building and Building C is 470’ long, if they put a 20’ break in the building and put a masonry wall between those and then put a door that already has access to the internal site and they going to say, “No” to this because it has to be a contiguous wall.

 

Mr. Groenendaal wanted to know if the break was at the north.

 

Discussion over the break in the wall.

 

Mr. Ball noted that they will have fire access to the back of the building.

 

Mr. Ennis noted that if they could cut the building in 170’ length of the 2 building then that would be fine.

 

Mr. Trowell noted that would also be fine with the Building Department.

 

Mr. Ball noted that when you have to sprinkle then it gets costly and this way they can still provide Fire Department access to the back of the building.

 

Mr. Groenendaal wanted to know if they are going to give us all new drawings.

 

Mr. Ball indicated that he would have to, he needs to remove the 2nd story and take the parcels out.

 

Mr. Nearing discussed the changes on the new plans.  Removal of the second story, landscape package, architectural standards, elevation, materials and color.

 

Mr. Trowell wanted to know if there was a sidewalk.

 

Mr. Nearing indicated that this was an Osceola County call because it was a collector.  He wanted to know if the county will make them do a sidewalk.

 

Mr. Trowell noted that if they have to do a sidewalk to make sure that they have a route from the sidewalk to the retail buildings.

 

Discussion over a sidewalk.

 

Mr. Ennis noted he may need to have a 4’ door, he indicated that he will get back with Mr. Ball on that.

 

There was discussion on where the door will be located.

 

Mr. Ball wanted to know if the separation of the buildings has to be 10’ or 20’.

 

Mr. Trowell noted that 10’ should be enough.  If they were separate owners then it would need to be 20’

 

Mr. Ball wanted to know if it will need to come back to DRC.

 

Mr. Groenendaal noted that it would not.

 

13.        Planning reserves the right to make additional comments.

14.        Final Plat shall be recorded within 6 months of City Council approval.

INFORMATION:

15.               Revised plans must be submitted within sixty (60) days of this review.  Revised plans submitted after the allotted time frame will require a new application including payment of additional fees. Please be advised that the number of plans required for submittal has increased to 15 sets.

16.               Applicant shall confer with Osceola County regarding access, right-of-way permits and concurrency prior to Final Site Plan approval for any development application that impacts a County Road.

17.        Please be advised that no model homes or centers will be permitted prior to recording of the final plat.  Any such structures shall also require approval of a “Mini Site Plan”.

 

SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT

CONDITIONS:

1.         A South Florida Water Management District permit/modification is required.

 

FINDING:

            DRC recommended approval with conditions.

 

2.                   Case #07-73.02 – Deer Creek Commercial Center (John Groenendaal, Senior Planner)

Canoe Creek Road north of Deer Creek Road

PUD Final Master Plan

 

Jeff Ball with Osceola Engineering and Larry Kox with Canoe Creek Self Storage were present to represent the application.

 

BUILDING DEPARTMENT

INFORMATION:

1.         No comments on this PUD final master plan.

 

INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT

INFORMATION:

1.         With the implementation of the Cyber Spot wireless system thru out the City of St. Cloud, “Cyber Spot Capital Expansion” charges will apply prior to development of said property.

 This fee shall be assessed as follows:

Per Residential Unit: $118.46

Per square foot of Commercial property: $0.0068

Please reference Resolution #2005-418R, Ordinance #2005-168, and Section 6.1.10.1 of the Land Development Code. 

Please note that all cases do not necessarily require poles, but in the cases that do require poles, the following guidelines will apply.

5.       Poles that provide a minimum mounting height of 25 feet, as recommended by the Radio manufacture and a continuous, non-switched power source, will be required, at the developer’s expense, for mounting of the radios.

6.       In instances of decorative light poles, matching decorative poles, providing a minimum mounting height of 25 feet, as recommended by the Radio manufacture and a continuous, non-switched power source, will be required, at the developer’s expense, for mounting of the radios.

7.       Please note that this is a combined effort with OUC and the City of St. Cloud for the acquisition and placement of the poles that needs to be addressed by the developer during the street lighting design phase.

8.       A layout of the electric system showing transformer locations and street lighting needs too be supplied to the IT department as soon as possible for determining the number of poles required and location of the poles.

 

PUBLIC WORKS

CONDITIONS:

1.         An Osceola County permit or a letter of intent to issue a permit for access to Canoe Creek Road will be required prior to the issuance of a “notice to proceed” for the development.

2.         The project partially lies within the FEMA designated Zone A.  A base flood elevation (BFE) will need to be established for the project.       

3.         The access easement which is proposed to connect to Deer Creek Blvd. appears to cross the storm water management pond.  The partial filling of the pond will require a permit modification through SFWMD.

4.         The above mentioned access easement does not align with the opening in the Deer Creek Blvd. landscaping tract.  Please explain how turning movements for this access will operate.

5.         A SFWMD permit will be required for this project.

 

Mr. Luthie wanted to know if they are going to access from Deer Creek.

 

Mr. Ball indicated that was an access but they are going to take that out.

 

Mr. Luthie suggested that was a good idea because it may cause problems with the neighbors.

 

Mr. Ball noted that it didn’t work when they laid out the sight and that they are going to take that out.

 

Mr. Luthie also indicated that they will need to get with the county for jurisdiction on Canoe Creek Road.

 

Mr. Ball noted that they were aware of that and that they will get a permit from the County.

 

LINES DIVISION

CONDITIONS:

1.         No comments.

INFORMATION:

2.         The sanitary sewer main may be re-directed to another location.

 

FIRE DEPARTMENT

CONDITIONS:

1.         Further conditions and recommendations will be addressed during the construction process.

INFORMATION:

2.         Fire hydrants in commercial, industrial, and high-density residential areas shall be spaced no greater than three hundred fifty (350) feet apart and shall be connected to mains no less than eight (8) inches in diameter.  In addition, hydrants shall be located so that the radius of one hundred seventy five (175) feet from the hydrant shall strike a portion of the structure, as well as strike the same radius of the next hydrant on the property. The required distance between all hydrants shall be measured along the road right-of-way and shall not be measured across private property not designated and used as a road right-of-way. No individual hydrant shall be designed to deliver more than 1000 GPM of required fire flow.  (L.D.C. 7.9.2.b.1)

Fire Hydrants and Fire Protection Appliances shall have clearances of 7.5 feet front and sides and 4 foot to the rear for hydrants. (NFPA1 18.3.4.1) This includes driveways, mailboxes, trees and utilities.

3.        Hydrants shall comply with City of St.Cloud details. (LDC 7.9.3.2)

4.         Listed indicating valves shall be at least 40’ from the building if space permits.(NFPA13 8.15.1.1.1)

Contact David Ennis 407-957-8484 for hydrant locations.

5.         Fire Department connections shall be identified by a sign that states “ NO PARKING, FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTION” and be designed in accordance with the Florida Department of Transportation standards for information signage. (NFPA 1 18.3.4.3 Fla. Edition)

6.         During construction, when combustibles are brought on to the site in such quantities as deemed hazardous by the fire official, access roads and a suitable supply of water, acceptable to the fire department, shall be provided and maintained.  Completion of the base installation, including the appropriate tack coating and sanding, shall be considered sufficient for vehicular access.  The following requirements must be met before water is made available to the site: (LDC 16E)

            A.  A clearance letter from the Florida Department of Environmental Protection (F.D.E.P.) to place            a public drinking water facility into service; 

            B.  A fire flow test by the St. Cloud Fire Department with results verifying minimum specifications              have been met.

7.         A fire department access road shall extend to with-in 50ft of a single exterior door providing access to the interior of the building. NFPA1 18.2.2.2

8.         Fire department access roads shall be provided such that any portion of an exterior wall of the first story of the building is located not more than 150 ft. from fire department access roads as measured by an approved route around the exterior of the building or facility. NFPA1 18.2.2.3.1 (the distance may be increased to 450 ft. when approved fire sprinkler systems are installed)

9.         Dead End Fire Department access roads in excess of 150’ in length shall be provided with approved provisions for turning around of fire apparatus.

10.        All gates shall be located a minimum of 30’ (thirty feet) from the public right of way and shall not open outward.   

11.        All gates shall have an access control device approved by the Fire Rescue Department. (NFPA 1 10.12.2)

 

OUC (ELECTRIC UTILITY)

INFORMATION:

1.                   No Comment.

 

PLANNING

CONDITIONS:

1.         See PMP for comments

INFORMATION:

2.                   Revised plans must be submitted within sixty (60) days of this review.  Revised plans submitted after the allotted time frame will require a new application including payment of additional fees. Please be advised that the number of plans required for submittal has increased to 15 sets.

3.                   Applicant shall confer with Osceola County regarding access, right-of-way permits and concurrency prior to Final Site Plan approval for any development application that impacts a County Road.

4.         Please be advised that no model homes or centers will be permitted prior to recording of the final plat.  Any such structures shall also require approval of a “Mini Site Plan”.

 

SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT

CONDITIONS:

1.         A South Florida Water Management District permit/modification is required.

 

FINDING:

            DRC recommended approval with conditions.

 

ADJOURNED: 2:28 PM