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CITY OF ST. CLOUD
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES
MEETING: July 31,
Services Complex 1st Floor Conference Room
2901 17th Street, St. Cloud
Nearing, Planning/Zoning Director
Hobbs, Development Officer
Nearing Rick Mauro Tommy Howes Mark
Dave Ennis John
Groenendaal Ron Trowell Angelo Perri
Faucett Kristin Korkki Eric Morgan
#3-96.02 – Crystal Creek
Michigan Ave; N of Canoe Creek Woods; S of Indian Lakes
Mr. Jeremy Kibbler and Mr. Jim Askey were present to represent the
case has no effect on the building department.
Cul-de sacs with
no street parking shall be provided with a turnaround having an outside roadway
diameter of at least one hundred feet (100’) and a street right of way diameter
of one hundred twenty feet (120’). Cul-de-sacs shall have a maximum length of
eight hundred feet (800’) including the turn around. (LDC 6.2.1L)
Mr. Kibbler noted that
all of the requirements but the length would be met. He also noted that he
wanted the variance request to move forward even if not supported by staff.
Mr. Nearing noted that
he wanted the applicant to be aware that if the variance moves forward without
the support of staff, it was going to do so under great scrutiny from the
eyebrow type turn or a t-type turn could be provided 600-800’ from the
beginning of the cul-de sac.
recommendation for use of an eyebrow type turn of t-type turn was discussed at
noted that this option would result in the loss of two or more lots and he did
not know if that would doable for his client. He noted that they would look at
the plan again and discuss it with the client. He further noted that he would
advise staff of how to proceed.
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Fire Rescue Department does not support this variance.
Planning is reserving comment on this variance request until a final
roadway layout has been determined. As discussed in the DRC meeting of July 17, 2003 the final location of the stormwater pond may change in order to save
Mr. Askey and Mr. Kibbler noted that they would like the
plans to move forward with regard to the lot lines.
Has any attempt been made to connect into Indian Lakes (granted they
would need to amend their PSP)? This would result in the elimination of the
variance request and provide interconnectivity. Provide documentation where
they refused and why.
Mr. Kibbler noted that there was no intention to connect
into Indian Lakes because that would not be feasible at this stage of their
Mr. Kibbler noted that he was in agreement with all of the
other comments from staff.
Mr. Nearing asked if it would be possible to provide a
twenty foot (20’) stabilized connection just for access by emergency services.
Mr. Asked noted that he would look into that possibility.
Mr. Nearing noted that it would have to be watched
carefully to prevent people from planting trees or placing other obstructions
in it noting that any such action would render the access useless.
Mr. Kibbler noted that it would need to be made an
unobstructed emergency access easement.
this request be tabled until the PSP is resubmitted.
must be submitted within sixty (60) days of this review. Revised plans
submitted after the allotted time frame will require a new application
including payment of additional fees.
plans must be folded at the time of submittal. Rolled plans will not be
PARKS & RECREATION
request will not have a negative impact on the St. Cloud Parks & Recreation
FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT
District has no comment regarding this case.
recommended that the developer meet with the people at Greater Construction to
discuss possible options for connection.
asked what would be sufficient enough to satisfy the fire department.
Marshall Ennis noted that an eyebrow was going to be needed to make the length
discussed the possibility of a secondary access.
Marshall Ennis again noted that the only way to make it work would be to
provide the eyebrow with the same radius as a cul-de-sac or to provide a T.
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and Mr. Kibbler noted that they would look at the plans and the options offered
by Fire Marshall Ennis to see if they could do anything to satisfy the
noted that the use of a T would need to be done by way of a tract that was
dedicated to the City.
recommended denial of the requested variance. The applicant will advise staff
as to whether or not they wish to move forward with the public hearing process.
SEE DRC SIGN-OFF SHEET FOR STAFF
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#3-4.17 – 4th of July Lakefest
Lane and Mr. Tom
Dorsey were present to represent the application.
noted that the City appreciates the job the Chamber does with the 4th
of July festivities and he hoped they did not take this request for a post
review as an insult. He noted that there were a couple of problems that arose
this year and the staff wanted to discuss and resolve them before planning for
next year’s event had begun.
DEPARTMENT (Original Comments)
1. Temporary electrical
wiring shall comply with the National Electrical Code (NEC) 1999 Article 305.
Note: Temporary wiring shall be ground-fault protected. Multi-conductor cord
shall originate in an approved power outlet or panelboard and be of the type
identified in Table 400-4 for hard usage or extra hard usage. Receptacles shall
be the grounding type. Lamps shall be protected from accidental contact or
breakage. Electrical cords shall be protected from damage and shall be placed
so as to prevent trip hazards. When receptacles are installed on flexible
cords/cables and exposed to weather or in wet locations, they shall be in a
2. If tents over 300 sq. ft.
are used they shall comply with the Florida Building Code (FBC) 2001 Section
3103.1 and Section 1019.5. Certification of flame resistance shall be filed
with the building department prior to a permit being issued.
3. Tent exits, aisles,
seating, etc. shall conform to assembly occupancy. All exits shall be kept free
of obstructions while tent is occupied by the public.
1. We recommend that no
automobiles or vehicles of any type be allowed to park in the retention area.
This can be achieved either by hiring additional enforcement personnel to cover
the entire Lakefront area, or construct a barricade to prevent the encroachment
of vehicles beyond the bike path along Lakeshore.
2. All sidewalks which
provide handicap accessibility from Lakeshore to the bike path must remain
open. It was observed that automobiles were parked across the pedestrian
access points which prevented wheelchair access in violation of ADA.
noted that vehicles were parking down in the storm water area. He explained
that this could be dangerous since that area will fill with water if there is a
heavy rain causing people to get stuck. He noted that keeping people out of
that area is going to be difficult without more enforcement or the use of
temporary barricades of some kind. He went on to note that parking of vehicles
along the lakefront where the sidewalks are connecting to the street was also a
problem. He explained that the handicap access was cut off and asked if the
area could be fenced off next year.
Mr. Lane asked when these parking problems
noted that it was just before the fireworks display.
noted that this review was a way to share information with not only the Chamber
but also other staff members.
Marshall Ennis noted that the parking along Florida Avenue by vendors and Chamber members was a problem. He explained
that the fire department needed one side or the other to remain open.
Mr. Lane noted that he had advised people to
park there because they had always done that in the past.
Marshall Ennis noted that he thought it was a simple problem of needing more communication
between everyone involved.
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Mr. Lane noted that he would make sure there
was no parking on Florida
Avenue next year.
Mr. Lane asked Mr. Luthie what type of
barricade he recommended to resolve the parking problem.
noted that the orange, plastic snow fencing would probably be enough.
Mr. Lane noted that the Chamber does this
event as an offering to the Community. He noted that without sponsors it could
not be done at all and that the Chamber looses money with the event every
year. He went on to explain that the City needed to keep these things in mind
when they place this kind of condition on the event. He also noted that all of
the people that work the event are volunteers.
noted that there had been discussion amongst the staff regarding the need for
some type of permanent fencing in that area but for now, this was a
recommendation that needs to be considered.
Mr. Lane noted that the area had been guerdoned
off as recommended.
noted that perhaps some temporary signage and possible towing of some vehicles
might be needed.
Faucett noted that the City might need to explore some other types of signage
at the same time. He noted some problems with illegal fireworks and alcohol
during the event.
asked if it would be possible to include some of this information in the
Mr. Lane said it was possible but it would
probably not work.
Faucett recommended that the Chamber approach the City Council to see if cost
sharing would be possible.
Tommy Howes noted that the Rotary Club blocks
off the end of each avenue and that seems to work for them. He also noted that
there had been discussion of placing some type of permanent bleachers in the
area and that might solve some of the parking problems.
of shuttling from the new City Hall building to the lakefront was discussed.
1. The fire rescue department
will require a pre-launch inspection, standby during the launch, and a
post-launch inspection for the fireworks display. Fire apparatus shall have
access to launch area.
2. Fire rescue department
requests an area be designated as a first aid station located in the shade.
First- aid station to be attended by the fire rescue department. The First-aid
station will require water and electric located on the north side of the
3. The fire rescue
department has been requested by the applicant to provide Lake Patrol during
the fire works display. We will provide one boat in the water for this
purpose. If the number of spectator boats reaches an uncontrollable level, we
will remove our boat from the area since the fire rescue department has no jurisdiction
or enforcement powers on the lake.
4. All fire protection
equipment; building exits and other safety features shall remain accessible.
5. A lane shall remain open
to allow emergency vehicles access if needed. (Movable barricades are
Ennis for coordination of times and details. 407-891-6784
EVENT REVIEW COMMENTS:
Fire Rescue Department needs approximately 3 weeks notice on the times for
first –aid and the fireworks display.
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noted that the biggest problem he saw was the fact that more time was needed
for review. He noted that staff needed at least 8 weeks and the issue was
Mr. Lane again noted that this function was
put on by volunteer groups and that he couldn’t always get everything lined up
that fare in advance. He explained that he had people that would pull out at
the last minute all the time.
noted that it need not be extremely detailed. He noted that staff needed to
know what the activities were and when and where they were to take place.
Faucett asked what the earliest date for a firm itinerary would be. He noted
that his officers find themselves acting as walking billboards that are
expected to know where and when everything is.
Mr. Lane noted that he responded to Major
Faucett’s request with a map at the DRC meeting. He further noted that the
fire department had shifted their location at the last minute.
Marshall responded to Mr.
Lane noting that the
fire department did not choose to make a change. The change was made because
there were tents set up where the fire department was to be located and they
had to find a different place to park.
Mr. Lane noted that he disagreed with Fire
Marshall Ennis’ statement and that there was plenty of room in front of the
playground that they could have used.
Marshall noted that would not have been possible because there was no water or
electric available without running it through the playground which would have
Mr. Lane noted that he heard the concerns
but respectfully disagreed with Fire Marshall Ennis. He noted that he had been
consistently attentive to the concerns of the staff.
noted that when he was leaving at approximately 9:10 p.m. and crossing Lakeshore Blvd., there was a constant stream of traffic causing a possible
unsafe condition. He recommended that the barricades be left in place longer
to maintain safe crossing of the pedestrians leaving the lakefront.
Faucett noted that he did not realize there were pedestrian concerns and he
would make sure PD was available in that area to assist with street crossings
Mr. Lane noted that where the fire
department was to be located did not need to be an issue and that he understood
the concern regarding parking on Florida Avenue.
noted that he understood there was also a problem with illegal fireworks at the
event and recommended that PD make an announcement about 8:00 p.m. regarding that issue.
Faucett noted that there were twelve officers present during the event and they
could not control the illegal fireworks.
visible location is needed in the shade with electricity and water for the
cones need to be placed in the area used this year for parking fire apparatus.
the past one lane was kept open on lakeshore. This year lakeshore was
completely blocked. In the future a lane needs to be kept open for emergency
Avenue had parking from Lakeshore to Cypress, next year there shall be no
parking on Florida
The fire apparatus could not gain access on this road; we will require access
from Florida Avenue to the parking area and out Ohio Avenue.
(ELECTRIC UTILITY) (Original Comments)
1. For temporary electric
please contact OUC Customer Service at (407) 957-7373 located at 2903 17th Street.
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barricades with warning flasher at all blocked intersections. Minimum three
barricades per street.
Department will need an itinerary with events and event times.
will not be available for security at fireworks launch area. Please make sure
security or responsible persons are present at this location prior to launch.
Beer Garden will require persons at all access points to control
beverages leaving fenced area. Open container violations will be enforced
without verbal warning. Please post appropriate signage prohibiting containers
outside Beer Garden.
5. Police Department does
not agree with postponing fireworks launch until 10:00 PM. Controlling alcoholic beverage violations and personal
fireworks launching becomes more difficult with passing time, increasing risk
Mr. Lane asked if a one week advance notice
for the schedule of events would be sufficient.
Faucett noted that as long as he had the information five days prior to the
event he would be satisfied.
Marshall Ennis noted that the fire department needs the information three weeks
prior because of the fireworks. He noted that he also needed to know what time
the fireworks were to begin.
regarding problems at the beer tent were discussed with Mr. Lane noting that he knew there had been
some problems this year.
(Post Event Comments)
1. It is strongly advised
that the Chamber submit its applications in the future to permit the DRC to
review and provide comment before the advertising is printed. We wish to avoid
confusion such as this year’s starting time for the fireworks.
2. For future reference, the
DRC will not approve starting the fireworks later than 9 p.m.
3. The times of certain
events and the venues of certain attractions where not known, nor marked. Events
such as the animal show, and the dunk tank may have been better attended if the
times and locations were more readily available. You may want to contact the
City regarding placing the ad on its web site, or setting up a link to your
site where the ad can be viewed.
map provided to the DRC is to be followed precisely. Any changes to the layout
will require resubmittal of a revised map prior to event setup. Very minor
deviations aside, the map approved by the DRC will be the map which will be followed
in the setup.
schedule of the various events will be provided in the future before the DRC
will approve the overall event.
will remain in place and be manned at least 30 minutes after the conclusion of
the fireworks. Numerous vehicular/pedestrian conflicts were observed on Lakeshore Drive shortly after the fireworks ended.
you keeping the community in this year’s 4th of July. Keeping the
local vendors involved is an important part of a community event. You are encouraged
to stress that point to other local organizations which conduct events at the
advised that the event must comply with the City’s noise ordinance which
prohibits noise after 11:00
p.m. This will
include entertainment, equipment take down, generators, etc. (original comment)
As a DRC
approved event, off-site signage may be utilized to advertise or direct traffic
to the event. Signs must be free standing and cannot be connected to street
signs, utility poles, trees, etc. All signs must be places so as to prevent
visual obstruction by both pedestrian and vehicular traffic. (original comment)
PARKS & RECREATION (Original Comments)
It is requested
to have a representative on site July 2nd - 7:30 am. Intent is to finalize set up.
tents and/or mobile stage?
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has it scheduled to mow the grass area for the Carnival, on Monday, June 30th.
Please keep the Carnival off of the grass area until mowing is completed.
It is the
responsibility of the Carnival to keep the area clean of trash/debris, before,
during and after the event. All trash cans shall be emptied into the dumpster
in charge of the fire works is also required to keep their area clean of
trash/debris. All disturbed areas and/or holes shall be filled in before
along the Lakefront (Mississippi
Avenue to Louisiana Avenue) will be the responsibility of the
Parks Superintendent is requesting to meet with Mr. David Lane, Chamber; one week prior to the event. Please call Tommy at
#407-957-7246 or #407-908-8072.
feel that the Chamber needs to be more organized when setting this event up.
chairs were missing & still missing
table was missing & still missing
were dumped in piles & not cleaned up
We had to
take down a volleyball net that was not mentioned
wanted us to put up the white fence that was not mentioned
planted in the ground & when they were pulled up there were lots of holes
that my staff had to fill in
I have no problem providing for their needs, but I need to
know what they are before the
event. They did do a better job this yea5r on picking up the trash all along
noted that she needed to know what equipment and preparation was going to be
needed in advance of the event.
Mr. Lane noted that the Chamber had not
right to expect staff to install the white fencing. As for the volley-ball
net, he explained that moving it had become a necessity because the area was so
Mr. Lane noted that he had personally
counted the tables twice on Saturday and they were all there and what ever
happened to them had to have happened after 1:00 on Saturday. As for the chairs, Mr. Lane noted that the Chamber would pay
for two chairs. Mr.
Lane also noted that
he agreed that the Chamber should have cleaned up the charcoal.
noted that the charcoal was a concern because of the danger of kids stepping on
found after the event were discussed with Mr. Howes noting that his staff had
accidentally found them. He also noted that there was a way to install fencing
with PVC piping to prevent making such large holes and the issue was discussed.
again discussed problems with parking in the retention area. He also noted
that he understood that there had been some words with one of his officers and
he apologized for the incident. He further noted that he had made a decision
to talk a couple of the regular parking spaces to set aside for motorcycle
parking and noted that it would probably be a good idea to make that a standard
set-up item. Major Faucett then discussed the issue of problems with the beer
tent and noted that it needed to be looked at closer next year.
recommended that there be a preliminary event review next year far in advance
of the final consideration by the committee. Mr. Lane and the committee agreed.
of this review was to discuss problems that arose during the event. No action
or recommendation was required.
THERE IS NO DRC SIGN-OFF SHEET FOR
meeting was adjourned at 3:10