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CITY OF ST. CLOUD

DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES

 

DATE OF MEETING:      July 10, 2003

 

LOCATION:                   Municipal Services Complex 1st Floor Conference Room

                                    2901 17th Street, St. Cloud

 

CALL TO ORDER:         2:10 P.M.

 

CHAIRMAN:                  David Nearing, Planning/Zoning Director

 

SECRETARY:               Megan Berkau, Planning Technician (Acting Secretary)

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:

Dave Nearing                 Rick Mauro                    Kim Duffy                      Mark Luthie                  

Dave Ennis                    John Groenendaal          Eric Morgan                   Ron Trowell                  

Major Faucett

 

NEW BUSINESS:

 

1.         Approval of Consent Agenda for July 10, 2003

 

 

2.         Case #3-92.01 – Palmetto Drive

                                                W of Communications/Kansas Intersection on Communications

                                                Subdivision Right-of-Way

 

Mr. Jeremy Kibler was present to represent the application.

 

BUILDING DEPARTMENT

INFORMATION:

1.         This case has no effect on the building department.

 

PUBLIC WORKS

CONDITIONS:

1.                   Please provide a Stormwater retention system to provide water quality pre-treatment of the run-off prior to discharge to the 17th Street conveyance system.   Each parcel will be required to provide storm water retention prior to discharge to the conveyance system along Palmetto Dr.

2.                   We recommend deletion of the sidewalks along the right-of-way within Palmetto Dr. since this property is zoned for Industrial purposes.

3.                   We recommend the cul-de-sac be increased in diameter to provide for a larger turn around area for commercial vehicles serving the industrial property and to comply with the Fire Department requirements.  If the sidewalks are deleted from the project, the Miami curb can be set at the limits of the existing right-of-way which is 100-feet in diameter.

4.         We recommend that a 10-foot wide utility/drainage easement be placed along the property frontages abutting Palmetto Dr. for underground utilities and for storm water discharge of the retention ponds to be constructed on each individual lot in the future.

5.         The typical roadway section will need to be revised to provide for an 8-inch soil cement base and a minimum 1 ½ inch asphalt surface. 

6.         Under drains will be required to control the water table or a geotechnical report will need to be submitted to establish the seasonal high water table in order to determine if under drains may be omitted from the project. 

7.         The proposed 8-inch water main extension across North Communication Rd. will need to be a directional bore. 

 

Mr. Kibler agreed to comply with all comments.

 

CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT

CONDITIONS:

1.                   Because this is a platted industrial subdivision, concurrency applications will be required with each site plan submittal.  No Certificate of Capacity will be required to install the infrastructure for this project.

2.                   The impact fees for each individual project shall be those in effect at the time that a structure is being CO’ed, or in the case where there is no structure, prior to a project passing Final Inspection.  An amount equal to 10% of the sewer impact fee for that project will be due prior to receiving a Notice to Proceed, and the balance due either prior to a CO or Final Inspection.

 

LINES DIVISION

CONDITIONS:

1.         Identify on the plans the location and sizing of the existing 10” water main and 6” sanitary sewer force main within the utility easement.

2.         The sanitary sewer manholes are required to be labeled using the City’s numbering system. On the new structures use numbers 69-19, 69-20 & 69-21 and show the existing manhole as no. 69-11.

3.         Identify the existing water main along N. Communications Rd. as a 12” water main and show the location of the sanitary sewer main.

4.         Show the connection point to the water main on N. Communications Rd. with a 12” x 8” wet tap and valve.

5.         The proposed 8” water main along Palmetto Dr. will be required to be connected by way of a cross to the existing 10” water main.

6.         The proposed elevation of the 24” RCP storm pipe will be in conflict with the existing 10” water main. If the storm pipe can be lowered at the inlet box, clearance can be obtained with the PVC pipe being replaced with D.I.P.

7.                   The first set of water services behind the hydrant can be eliminated. Structures are already built on lot 1 and 2.

 

MR. Kibler stated concerns with Block D, but plans to ask the property owner to pay for his own services.

 

8.         Indicate the type of crossing across N. Communications Rd. with a profile.

9.                   The City will be replacing the water main within the easement. If the developer would like to have the City install a cross with the valves, the City will install them at time of replacement at no cost, if the developer purchases the materials and delivers them to the site.

 

Mr. Kibler agreed to comply with all comments

 

RECOMMENDATIONS:

10.        A 1” water service may not be sufficient for industrial lots. Two inch (2”) water services are recommended to each site.

 

FIRE DEPARTMENT

CONDITIONS:

1.         Fire hydrants in commercial, industrial, and high-density residential areas shall be spaced no greater than three hundred fifty (350) feet apart and shall be connected to mains no less than eight (8) inches in diameter.  In addition, hydrants shall be located so that the radius of one hundred seventy five (175) feet from the hydrant shall strike a portion of the structure, as well as strike the same radius of the next hydrant on the property. The required distance between all hydrants shall be measured along the road right-of-way and shall not be measured across private property not designated and used as a road right-of-way. No individual hydrant shall be designed to deliver more than 1000 GPM of required fire flow.  (L.D.C. 7.9.2.b.1)

2.                   Cul-de sacs with no street parking shall be provided with a turnaround having an outside roadway diameter of at least one hundred feet (100’) and a street right of way diameter of one hundred twenty feet (120’). Cul-de-sacs shall have a maximum length of eight hundred feet (800’) including the turn around. (LDC 6.2.1L)

 

Mr. Kibler stated that he will try to work to meet requirements, but the subdivision is already platted, so it may be difficult.

Mr. Ennis and Mr. Kibler discussed the comment and alternative solutions.

 

3.                   Before and during construction, when combustibles are brought onto the site in such quantities as deemed hazardous by the fire official, paved roads to provide access for fire vehicles and a suitable water supply for fire protection acceptable to the fire department shall be provided and maintained.  (L.D.C. 6.1.21.3)

Mr. Kibler acknowledged and agreed to comply.

 

OUC (ELECTRIC UTILITY)

CONDITIONS:

1.         If the project is underground the owner shall install all electric conduit and concrete bases and a 12’ wide utility easement would be required on all property lines abutting a right-of-way.  There may be additional costs associated with the underground electric.  There would be no costs for overhead electric.

2.         OUC can provide lighting for this project.  Please contact Bill Ellwood.

3          Please send all site and electric information to OUC Development Services.

            OUD Development Services                    (407) 236-9652 – Fax (407) 236-9628

            Bill Ellwood                                           email: developmentservices@ouc.com

            500 South Orange Avenue

            P.O. Box 3193

            Orlando, FL  32802

4.         Once all information is obtained by Development Services, an Engineer will be assigned to the job.

 

Mr. Kibler agreed to comply.

 

PLANNING

CONDITIONS:

1.                   Provide dimensions for all lots, pavement widths, cul-de-sacs, etc.

2.                   Side lot lines appear to extend across the right-of-way.  Provide accurate lot lines.

3.                   A site plan will be required to develop each lot individually or in combination.

4.                   Show the location of all street lights.

5.                   Show 17th Street on the drawings.

6.                   Lots 1 & 2 Block 4 and Parcel D are under different ownership than the applicant.  Will any construction easements be required to complete any improvements?

7.                   There appears to be a conflict between the sewer line extending west along the south side of Lot 3 Block 3 and where it extends to.  On sheet 3, it continues west across the adjacent townhouse project.  On sheet 4 it appears to bend and travel south across Lot 4 Block 3.  if the latter is correct, there is no easement depicted on Lot 4 Block 3, and drainage easement on Lot 5 Block 3 which would be a logical continuation of the line to the lift station at the Senior Center is shown for vacation.  Please clarify these conflicts and provide utility easements as needed.

 

Mr. Kibler stated that there was an error in his plans that he will correct and resubmit for approval.

 

8.                   Water connections are depicted to Lots 1 and 2 of Block 4.  Is that correct?

9.                   While this subdivision was platted in the 1980’s, all current standards with respect to paving, drainage, water and sewer installation, etc., must be complied with.

10.               Sidewalks are not required, nor encouraged in general industrial subdivisions as this.  The sidewalk should be removed.

 

Mr. Kibler stated that the sidewalk will be removed.

 

11.               It is strongly suggested that the area previously occupied by sidewalk be used to expand the width of paving in the cul-de-sac to improve the turning radius for the larger type of vehicles which can be anticipated.

INFORMATION:

12.               Revised plans must be submitted within sixty (60) days of this review.  Revised plans submitted after the allotted time frame will require a new application including payment of additional fees.

13.               All submitted plans must be folded at the time of submittal.  Rolled plans will not be accepted.

14.               A site plan will be required as each lot, or combination of lots, is developed.  Buffering requirements from the adjacent residential use shall be required at that time in accordance with the buffering standards in effect at time of approval.

 

Mr. Kibler acknowledged all comments and agreed to comply.

Mr. Nearing discussed the City’s perspective on a surrounding wall and suggested that Mr. Kibler should get rid of wall and apply for a variance.

 

PARKS & RECREATION

CONDITIONS:

1.                   Submit a tree survey or aerial of the site.

·         Show the existing trees that measure a minimum of four (4”) in diameter at diameter breast height.

·         Identify all trees

Note: This site has an active Arbor Permit #00-1531. The permit was issued under the name “Pine Lake Village”; however, the legal description is the same as “Palmetto Drive”. This site held and holds a large amount of trees. The St. Cloud Parks & Recreation Department requires a two-to-one replacement ratio because of the violation in April of 2000. Before the site can do anymore clearing and/or tree removal, the permit shall be revised or a final sign plan shall meet requirements.

 

Mr. Kibler stated that he will submit an aerial photo of the site.

 

2.                   Remove General Note #15, on Sheet 2 of 11. This note does not apply to this site.

 

Mr. Kibler acknowledged the comment.

 

INFORMATION:

3.                   Per the development of each lot, a landscaping plan shall be submitted in accordance with the Land Development Code. In addition to the landscaping requirements of the code, each lot shall also meet tree replacement requirements. The replacement amount will be calculated after a tree survey or aerial has been submitted and reviewed. Note: Each lot will have the same amount of tree replacement calculations.

 

SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT

CONDITIONS:

1.         This case will require approval by the City’s Engineering Department only.

 

FINDING:

The Board agreed that plans may be resubmitted for sign-off.

 

 

SEE DRC SIGN-OFF SHEET FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS


3.         Case #3-91.01 – Mallard Pond

W of Communications/Kansas Intersection on Communications

Preliminary Subdivision Plan

 

Mr. Jimmy Askey was present to represent the application.

 

BUILDING DEPARTMENT

INFORMATION:

1.         This case has no effect on the building department.

 

PUBLIC WORKS

CONDITIONS:

1.         The entrance to the project at Old Canoe Creek Rd. will require an Osceola County Right-of-Way Utilization Permit. 

2.         The proposed landscape medians along the entry boulevard will need to be dedicated to the HOA for maintenance.   

3.         A SFWMD Permit will be required prior to “Notice to Proceed” for the project. 

4.         Please revise the typical roadway section detail referring to the 6-inch soil cement base.  6-inch soil cement base must be designed to 300 PSI, 7 day compressive strength or lime rock compacted to 98%.

5.         The typical cul-de-sac details will need to be revised to provide for a 100-foot turn around area and a 120-foot diameter platted right-of-way.

 

Mr. Askey stated that he will resubmit plans to comply with the above comments.

 

CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT

CONDITIONS:

1.                   A Certificate of Capacity will be processed through City Council.  For this project, the fee is calculated as follows:  475 lots x $2,358 per lot = $1,120,050.00.  Ten (10) percent of this amount, or $112,005.00. is due prior to Notice to Proceed.  The balance is due prior to Certificate of Occupancy for each lot.  This Certificate may be phased with the four phases or paid at once. 

2.                   Any existing wells on the property must be abandoned or have a reduced pressure backflow preventer installed if the well is to be used for irrigation.  Any existing septic tanks on the property must be abandoned per Osceola County Health Department specifications.

 

Mr. Askey stated that if there are existing wells, they will be shown on the survey and revised plans.

 

3.                   This Certificate of Capacity shall remain valid as long as continuous construction activity is verified on this site.

 

Mr. Askey acknowledged the comment.

 

INFORMATION:

4.                   Those lots out side of the City will be accessed 25% surcharge and must have the reservation paid prior to receiving a Certificate of Capacity 

 

LINES DIVISION

CONDITIONS:

1.                   The sanitary sewer system will be required to be connected to the existing manhole structure located at the intersection of Pine Tree Dr., eliminating the lift station.

 

Mr. Askey discussed his preferences regarding dumping into gravity lines and the capacity limitations therein.

 

INFORMATION:

2.         Water, sewer and reclaimed water are available.

 

FIRE DEPARTMENT

CONDITIONS:

1.         Distance from or spacing for hydrants located within single family residential subdivisions shall not exceed five hundred (500) feet and shall be connected to water mains no less than eight (8) inches in diameter. The required distance between all hydrants shall be measured along the road right-of-way and shall not be measured across private property not designated and used as a road right-of-way. No individual hydrant shall be designed to deliver more than 1000 GPM of required fire flow. (L.D.C. 7.9.2.b.1)

2.         An Approved turnaround for fire apparatus shall be provided where an access road is a dead end and is in excess of 150 foot (46m) in length. The turnaround shall have a minimum center line radius of 50 foot (15m). The grade, surface and location shall be approved by the authority having jurisdiction. T or Y turnaround arrangements shall be permitted. NFPA1 3-5.2(LDC 6.2.1L)

 

Mr. Askey stated that there was an error in his plans and he will correct it for resubmittal.

 

3.         Access to a planned building group shall be provided by a minimum of two distinctly separate routes of ingress and egress, each located as remotely from the other as possible.  NFPA 1141, 4-1.2.

 

Mr. Askey noted that he will review more locations for emergency entrance/exit.

Mr. Ennis discussed possible locations while referencing “here and there” using the site plan.

 

4.         Before and during construction, when combustibles are brought onto the site in such quantities as deemed hazardous by the fire official, paved roads to provide access for fire vehicles and a suitable water supply for fire protection acceptable to the fire department shall be provided and maintained.  (L.D.C. 6.1.21.3)

 

Mr. Askey acknowledged all comments and agreed to comply.

 

INFORMATION:

5.         Hydrants not shown on all pages, please contact David Ennis at 407-891-6784 for locations.

 

OUC (ELECTRIC UTILITY)

CONDITIONS:

1.         The owner will install all the primary & secondary conduit, concrete transformer pads, secondary pullboxes.  If required concrete primary pullboxes and concrete switchgear pads may be required along with an electric duct bank.

2.         A 10 foot wide utility easement on all property lines abutting a right-of-way.  Other easements may be required.

3.         Please have all the conduit installed and passed by OUC inspector 4 weeks before you need electric service.

4.         OUC can provide lighting for this project.  Please contact Bill Ellwood.

5.         Please send all site and electric information to OUC Development Services.

            OUD Development Services                    (407) 236-9652 – Fax (407) 236-9628

            Bill Ellwood                                           email: developmentservices@ouc.com

            500 South Orange Avenue

            P.O. Box 3193

            Orlando, FL  32802

6.         Once all information is obtained by Development Services, an Engineer will ba assigned to the job.

 

PLANNING

CONDITIONS:

1.         Portion of this subdivision will be in the county and a portion is in the City of St. Cloud. The county will need to enter into an interlocal agreement to allow the City review and approve that portion of the subdivision. Currently it is zoned AC and they may need the property rezoned to begin with prior to enter any agreements with the City.

 

Mr. Askey asked for clarification of the comment.

Mr. Nearing briefly clarified the suggestion.

Mr. Groenendaal and Mr. Askey discussed further while referencing the site plan using “here and there.”

 

2.                   Provide a survey of the property that indicates any old SLIC ROW and vacate them if they have not been.

 

Mr. Askey stated that he was in the process of getting survey for the property.

3.                   Please show the 7.45 acres of the Commercial and remainder of Residential on the Old Canoe Creek Commercial east of the subject property.  Some interconnection between the subject property and the Old Canoe Creek Commercial would be advised if the supermarket plan does not materialize.

 

Mr. Askey asked for clarification.

Mr. Groenendaal stated that he would like to see an “escape route” if the future plans for the property do not work out.  He then began to reference the plan in question using “here and there.”

 

4.                   This project and the PUD and remaining phases should be linked for pedestrian and bicycle connectivity.

5.                   Provide a PM peak trip generation statement

6.                   Show all the wetlands and the 25 foot buffer within a tract and provide a note dedicating those tracts to the HOA

 

Mr. Askey and Mr. Nearing discussed wetland buffers. 

Mr. Askey agreed to work on the plan to avoid putting buffers on residents’ lots.

 

7.                   Show all landscape islands in the ROW and any other landscape areas as a landscape tract and dedicated to the HOA

 

Mr. Askey stated that the islands in the Rights of Way and all other landscaping will be dedicated to the home owner’s association who will be responsible for all landscaping maintenance.

 

8.                   List any other tracts (stormwater) and whom they will be dedicated to.

9.                   Provide a list of all road improvements required by Osceola County for Old Canoe Creek Road.

10.               Where are lots 24-27? Were they skipped? Please number lots so phases are a run of number and does not jump around.

11.               Provide a phasing plan.

 

Mr. Askey asked for clarification.

Mr. Groenendaal rephrased the comment.
Mr. Askey agreed to comply.

 

12.               Don’t plat drainage easements on lots. Make them part of the wetland/ pond tracts. I found 63+ 64, 70+71, 286+287, 277+276+275, 33+34, 460+461, 452+451, 480+481, 116+115+114+113, 324+323+325+326+327, 131+132, 369+368, 354+355, 338+337, 319+320, 144+143, 301+301all had an easement that should be part of a tracts.

 

Mr. Askey stated that there will be easements on some lots to provide necessary drainage to drainage ponds.

Mr. Nearing asked Mr. Askey to work with John to minimize the occurrence of these easements on individual lots.

Mr. Askey stated that he will work with John to correct the plans.

 

13.               Provide a survey that provides elevations and proposed finished floor elevation.

 

Mr. Askey stated that the survey is pending and the appropriate elevations will be on the construction plans.

Mr. Groenendaal stated that the Planning Department would like to know how much fill will be required for this development.

Mr. Askey stated that it usually requires couple feet of fill, but he will try to save as much as possible in buffers and wetlands.

 

14.               No lots shall have direct access onto Old Canoe Creek Rd.

15.               No double frontage lots.

 

Mr. Askey stated that technically there are no double frontage lots because there are tracts between the lot and the street.

 

16.               All of the corner lots are to be 10% bigger check all, lot 115 looked like it was substandard, there may be others.

17.               Lot 476 is substandard completely.

 

Mr. Askey said that he will increase lot sizes in instances where the lots are substandard.

 

RECOMMENDATIONS:

18.               There are several pie shaped lots. The way that the City determines the lot width on a pie shaped lot is to measure width at the front and rear façades of the home. This may result in homes being shifted back further and into large front yards. This is a concern in that this may impact future owners from being able to have pools and other accessory uses not permitted in front yards.  I would recommend the building footprint be examined for all irregular lots and adjust lot configuration accordingly

 

Mr. Askey stated that he will work with Mr. Groenendaal to adjust lot sized accordingly.

 

INFORMATION:

19.               Revised plans must be submitted within sixty (60) days of this review.  Revised plans submitted after the allotted time frame will require a new application including payment of additional fees.

20.               All submitted plans must be folded at the time of submittal.  Rolled plans will not be accepted.

 

PARKS & RECREATION

CONDITIONS:

1.                   The submitted aerial (Sheet 2 of 12) shall be marked up to show what type of trees and amounts that exist. Please revise.

 

Mr. Askey agreed.

 

2.                   Submit a landscaping plan showing the required buffers adjacent to Old Canoe Creek Road.

 

Mr. Askey agreed.

 

3.                   The St. Cloud Parks & Recreation Department is not sure of the zoning of the property that is located to the Northeast of this site. Additional buffering may be required.

 

Ms. Duffy asked that condition 3 under Parks & Recreation be stricken.

 

SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT

CONDITIONS:

1.         A South Florida Water Management District Permit is required for this project.

 

OSCEOLA COUNTY PUBLIC SAFETY (911 ADDRESSING)

CONDITIONS:

1.                   Applicant shall clear all proposed street names with the 9-1-1 addressing department prior to submitting a final.  Please submit a preliminary subdivision plan for review.

 

Mr. Askey stated that he talked to 9-1-1 and agreed to provide the department with street plans.

Mr. Askey stated that he would prefer to call them Street “A”, “B”, “C”, etc so that street names are still available when they are ready to complete the project.

Mr. Ennis stated that he would like to see a hydrant plan

Mr. Mauro stated that he would like to see construction plans.

Mr. Nearing asked if the Board wants to do an interlocal agreement with Osceola County to ensure that the plans are based on City standards.  He also stated that alternatively, Mr. Askey would have to comply with county connected to city requirements, which may be difficult anyway.

 

FINDING:

The Board agreed to continue the case.  The Board agreed that construction plans may be submitted.

 

 

SEE DRC SIGN-OFF SHEET FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS

 

 

ADJOURNMENT:           The meeting was adjourned at 2:40 P.M.